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Tuesday, 15 July 2014

Why upgrading from version 6 and 7 can be a little slow

I'm writing this while waiting for an in-place upgrade from Data Protector 7.0 to 8.1 to complete. Several hours later, I started wondering what it was doing. I could have just connected to the database using the run_script option to omnidbutil, but I thought I'd explore a bit further.

The connection details are in C:\ProgramData\Omniback\Config\Server\idb\idb.config (or whereever you have put the database; it's /etc/opt/omni/server/idb/idb.config on Linux). You will see a line like this:

Copy and paste the part between the quotes into your favourite Base64 decoder to get the plain text password returned. You can then run:

psql --port=7112 -U hpdpidb_app -d hpdpidb

(psql is in "C:\Program Files\OmniBack\idb\bin" on Windows, /opt/omni/idb/bin on Linux)

PostgreSQL lets you see what queries are running -- unlike Raima Velocis, where this would have been very hard to figure out!

From the psql prompt:

hpdpidb=> select * from pg_stat_activity;
 datid | datname | procpid | usesysid |   usename   | application_name | client_addr | client_hostname | client_port |     backend_start        |         xact_start         |        query_start         | waiting |
 16388 | hpdpidb |    3608 |    16384 | hpdpidb_app |                  |   |                 |       49842 | 2
014-07-15 11:01:13.695+10 | 2014-07-15 11:23:58.31+10  | 2014-07-15 11:23:58.31+10  | f       | DELETE FROM dp_catalog_position_seqacc_med \r                          +
       |         |         |          |             |                  |             |                 |             |
                          |                            |                            |         |  WHERE medium_name NOT IN (SELECT medium_id FROM dp_medium_to_objects);
 16388 | hpdpidb |    3780 |    16384 | hpdpidb_app | psql             | ::1         |                 |       60664 | 2
014-07-15 15:10:49.911+10 | 2014-07-15 15:11:14.763+10 | 2014-07-15 15:11:14.763+10 | f       | select * from pg_stat_activity;
(2 rows)

That's rather interesting: I'm waiting for it to run
  DELETE FROM dp_catalog_position_seqacc_med
   WHERE medium_name not in (select medium_id FROM dp_medium_to_objects);

So it's some kind of sanity clean-up to maintain referential integrity, perhaps?

Why is that taking so long, though? Time to explain the query:

hpdpidb=> explain delete from dp_catalog_position_seqacc_med where medium_name not in (select medium_id from dp_medium_to_objects);
                                                                        QUERY PLAN

 Delete on dp_catalog_position_seqacc_med  (cost=1343236.10..514911431610.60 rows=2409753 width=6)
   ->  Seq Scan on dp_catalog_position_seqacc_med  (cost=1343236.10..514911431610.60 rows=2409753 width=6)
         Filter: (NOT (SubPlan 1))
         SubPlan 1
           ->  Materialize  (cost=1343236.10..1544864.81 rows=4819506 width=28)
                 ->  Subquery Scan on dp_medium_to_objects  (cost=1343236.10..1487821.28 rows=4819506 width=28)
                       ->  Unique  (cost=1343236.10..1439626.22 rows=4819506 width=131)
                             ->  Sort  (cost=1343236.10..1355284.87 rows=4819506 width=131)
                                   Sort Key: p.medium_name, obj.uuid, obj.seq_id, obj.legacy_type_id,,, obj.description
                                   ->  Hash Join  (cost=107153.79..478801.50 rows=4819506 width=131)
                                         Hash Cond: ((p.application_uuid = ovr.application_uuid) AND (p.objver_seq_id = ovr.seq_id))
                                         ->  Seq Scan on dp_catalog_position_seqacc_med p  (cost=0.00..139912.06 rows=48 19506 width=50)
                                         ->  Hash  (cost=76201.39..76201.39 rows=922427 width=125)
                                               ->  Hash Join  (cost=325.37..76201.39 rows=922427 width=125)
                                                     Hash Cond: ((ovr.object_uuid = obj.uuid) AND (ovr.object_seq_id = obj.seq_id))
                                                     ->  Seq Scan on dp_catalog_object_version ovr  (cost=0.00..50509.27 rows=922427 width=43)
                                                     ->  Hash  (cost=243.97..243.97 rows=5427 width=103)
                                                           ->  Hash Join  (cost=2.72..243.97 rows=5427 width=103)
                                                                 Hash Cond: ((obj.application_uuid = app.uuid) AND (obj.application_seq_id = app.seq_id))
                                                                 ->  Seq Scan on dp_catalog_object obj  (cost=0.00..146.27 rows=5427 width=93)
                                                                 ->  Hash  (cost=1.69..1.69 rows=69 width=52)
                                                                       ->  Seq Scan on dp_frontend_application app  (cost=0.00..1.69 rows=69 width=52)
(22 rows)

So that's 922427 * 5427 * 69345,414,781,701 row operations at an absolute bare minimum.

I think I might call it a day and come back in a few days' time. Or maybe a few weeks' time.

Greg Baker is an independent consultant who happens to do a lot of work on HP DataProtector. He is the author of the only published book on HP Data Protector ( He works with HP and HP partner companies to solve the hardest big-data problems (especially around backup). See more at IFOST's DataProtector pages at


  1. so your database will be *very* clean by the time it finishes, but then it will be time to upgrade to the next version!

  2. Hi Greg,

    Amazing post, hope you tried version 9. I couldn't connect to the idb with the above command. Please advise how I can connect to the IDB, should I change any params as per my env?

    Really appreciate the work!


    1. It could be that (for some reason) your IDB is running on a different port number or something like that.

      There's a nice undocumented feature for accessing the database (that doesn't involve the psql comment or working out what credentials to use) that I wrote up here:

      And you might think about upgrading to version 10 -- it's been out a while now.